How far would you go for health and anti-aging in midlife?

This is a fun look at 'extremes' for anti-aging or general health and wellness. The concept of 'extreme' is different for everyone - what is extreme for one person may be an everyday occurrence for another.
We hope that you listen to this episode with an open mind. We might even teach you something. 

00:00 Midlife exploration of societal beauty standards and health.
04:23 Misconceptions about calories and weight loss conversation.
09:13 Gravitating toward achievement, but quit running recently.
11:45 Mixed feelings on taking medicine for health.
15:34 GLP may help with addiction, mental issue.
16:32 Appreciating balanced approach and self-reflection on fertility.
20:08 Emotions reflected on my face, natural skincare.
25:18 Discussing podcast and hormone treatment for cancer.
26:30 Fibroids made me look 5 months pregnant.
30:16 Avoid plastic, pollution; use electric, bicycle.
32:20 Considering trying out the router despite skepticism.

In this episode, you'll hear: 

• The impact of diet culture on women in midlife and how to navigate it with a holistic approach to health.
• Exploring extreme beauty and anti-aging procedures, along with the reservations and potential health risks associated with them.
• The importance of making conscious choices and assessing individual limits without judgment, especially in the realm of extreme wellness practices.

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Transcript

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How far would you go? For health benefits or for anti-aging? Hi. I'm Cam, Holistic health coach, mom to 2 humans and 4 pets. Hi. I'm Amelia, Laboratory scientist by day and food scientist by night. Welcome to our show. Join us as we share our holistic approach to life after 50. You can expect real life stories with a dash of humor and a ton of truth. If it happens in midlife, we're going to talk about it. So hit that subscribe button and follow along. We're the Midlife Mommas. I don't know. Let's talk about this. Hey, everybody. We are going to have a no shame episode about the things we do and how far we go for weight loss or and or antiaging like our skin and how we look, how we present ourselves to the world. And I want you to hear this is a no shame episode. How far would you go? Would you do it? I love the way you just frame that up, Cam, because this is such an important thing in midlife. And we've talked about this so much that we come from a culture of a diet culture and where we had to look a certain way or be a certain size. And so this is just kind of exploring kind of what we have done and some of the things that we've heard about. And, you know, as kind of being on the cutting edge of health and wellness, maybe we've tried some things that you would find kind of out there. So I'm I'm ready to have this discussion. Yeah. I lately, I'm really on a anti diet culture. Diet culture is making us feel less than to keep us coming back for more and more and more, and then they were never good enough. And then we are trying to get a certain size or a certain weight, and it's still not enough. And I'm just I've had enough. I've had enough. I think that's such a healthy attitude, Cam, and I love it. And I think we should start with diet culture, calorie cutting, extreme diets. I think we've all tried in some point in our life, whether it's the cabbage soup diet or the one of those programs where you have to buy I think none of them might have been Jenny Craig where you have to buy all of your food and it comes in the boxes. So, yeah, I think we should we should start there because it's so prevalent in everyone's mind. Yeah. So what is the craziest diet trend you've ever tried? You know, it's funny you should say that because, I love food so much that I really haven't done I've done more extreme exercise to lose weight than I have diet, but I've definitely had friends that have done Jenny Craig. I did Weight Watchers after my second daughter was born, and I still think that is kind of the lesser of the evils when you're talking about a diet. You know, I've done Whole30, which, again, I think is not horrible, but I've not done anything super extreme in that category. Yeah. In my forties at one point, I also tried the Whole 30, and what I I mean, it wasn't sustainable. Let's be real. It's like crazy, what you're reading on your labels. But what I walked away with is a greater awareness of food and how it made me feel, which I appreciate that lesson very much. Yeah. And I think that's the take home here is, you know, I think there's probably still some crazy, quote, diet programs that are out there. I don't seek that information, so I don't get a lot of pop up ads for things like that. I have seen some pop up ads for, like, you order I forgot what the company is, but it's like smoothie a smoothie, and then you they send you the cup of stuff and you basically just add water and blend it. But other than that, you know, I don't know what's currently out there. But your lesson, I think, is what it is exactly what we need to teach people. And what they need to embrace is know what you're eating and know how you feel when you eat it. Yeah. And it's such a slippery slope in menopause because we're trying to change our body changes what seems like overnight, and it has a lot to do with our metabolism. And then we go to these extreme measures, and it actually actually slows our metabolism even further. We're fighting muscle loss, and I really truly believe that the body image that you're trying to create is on the other side of protein you're not eating and weights you're not lifting. It's those two things which optimize your resting metabolic rate, which is how your body operates on a day to day basis. And these extreme diets and diet culture in general is keeping you stuck in a loop that you cannot win. No. I love that, and I literally overheard a conversation between 2 women yesterday that I perceived to be middle aged. I actually don't know how old they were, and it was all about this. Like, how many calories are you eating, and why am I not losing weight? And then luckily, another woman who happened to be quite a bit younger stepped in and was like, maybe you're not eating enough. So that thought loop that we were taught in the eighties that it's simply if you consume more calories than you intake, you're gonna lose weight. It's so hard to battle that, Cam. I myself get caught in it sometimes and will say, oh, I shouldn't eat that because that's too many calories. Well, if there's tremendous joy in that, why shouldn't I eat it? Even if it's just a little bit. So I think we have to really talk to ourselves daily about this, reframing our thoughts on this matter. Yeah. And there's all kinds of crazy things that you maybe have tried. I know we both have tried juicing. Yes. That was a big fat failure for me. I was, like, I was hungry. I was angry, and I was, like, this is wasteful. Yeah. All the things. Now I will say just in the last few months, I experimented with basically, I think having 3 or 4 juices and then a nut milk, a full fat nut milk during the day and having a full dinner at night, that actually worked really well for me. So, that was kind of a take on this is so silly. Our listeners are gonna laugh. It was a experiment because my pre colonoscopy prep day of liquids actually worked super well. I felt great. So that was just kind of an experiment for me to see what kind of consuming liquids would do and that work. But full on juicing or, you know, we've touched on this before, intermittent fasting, you know, that's that's a slippery slope too. A 100%. I mean, if you just eat with the daylight, you're good. That's your form of let's call it time restricted eating versus intermittent fasting where you're going by the clock. Just go by the sun. You go by your hunger cues, which, by the way, do you even know what it feels like to be hungry? Because we live in this society. Oh, I'll just grab this, and mindless eating is a big deal. Like, I recently lost my cat, and it's really easy to just wanna grab a bag of something crunchy in a bag and eat my emotions and just be mindless, you know? No. No. I agree. And I feel like I do that when I get stressed, especially when I'm in the office and I just, you know, all that's there if I didn't pack it is junk food. So I totally agree with you. But as for hunger cues, as I've gotten older and consumed more protein, I feel like my hunger cues are different. It's more hangry than it is actual hunger pains, or or discomfort. You know, I don't get that belly emptiness like I used to, or maybe that's age. I don't know. But tuning into your body's cues is very important. Yeah. And I feel like I have less of the hangry feeling. So That's funny. Definitely in my forties and my jelly bean and candy corn diet, which I would not suggest. Yeah. I would definitely feel that way because I waited too long to eat. I'm sure I was having blood sugar spikes and crashes. There was no way I couldn't have. And then that hangry feeling is a sign for me that I waited too long to eat, and I wasn't actually nourishing my body. I don't know what I was doing. No. It's a great point. And, you know, we've talked about we've had several episodes either solely based on alcohol consumption or it's come up. And when we self medicate for whatever reading, whether it's alcohol or jelly beans, both of those can be extremely bad for you. Yeah. 100%. And only if we knew what our, blood sugar was doing because I'm sure it was absolutely crazy. And, again, I call it rusting from the inside out. Yeah. Absolutely. But another way we can try to, like, cut weight or be thinner or reach that aesthetic is extreme exercise, and I know you and I both have a long history there. Yeah. But mine wasn't for body reasons. It was for mental reasons. So I was going through a divorce and I was trying and my kids were, you know, I was empty nester. I was a single mom, like all those things, and so I was trying to redefine myself. So I took off those labels or those masks and I put on the extreme exercise mask. So mine was not about my physical body. Even though there were benefits, it was definitely a mental thing for me. Psst. Hey, you. Have your workout stopped working? There are a few things I need to tell you. Hey there. It's Cam, and I'm here to guide you through a few simple actionable steps that will actually transform your health. And believe it or not, you'll actually see results from your efforts. Learn how to get fit and energized with a free on demand masterclass called the 4 keys that unlock menopause fitness. If you're ready to take control of your journey, click on the link in the show notes for this free master class now. Okay. I'll see you in class. No. Mine was probably physical, and part of it was mental too. It was a gravitation towards an achievement. So it wasn't trying to escape my mind. It was trying to achieve something, and it worked really well for 15 years. But I think in this point of life, you had to teach me that, Cam, you know, that that this is no longer good, And I quit running about a year, a little over a year ago. I love it. If I really have the desire to run a couple of miles, 3 miles, I'll do it. But as a regular form of exercise, that's not okay for me anymore. I do know people that still run 5 plus miles, and if that works for them, I guess that's okay. But, you know, I think extreme exercise can take on a life of its own, and before you know it, it's extreme and you don't even realize it's extreme. Right. Yeah. When it's, occupying your life and you schedule everything around it. Yes. Now and, you know, I believe in looking at your weekly schedule and say, okay, where strength training gonna fit? I was actually on a client call last night and she's a teacher and she, like, looks at her schedule and the days that she has has more time are her strength training days, but she has a plan. So, I mean, that's healthy. Like, that's healthy. You're fitting in twice a week. Okay. This is when I'm gonna do it. But when, like, your whole shower schedule and your whole life, I mean, I remember those days. No. I do too. I mean, I would I would either cancel or decline invitations from people I loved because of a race schedule. And one of the greatest regrets of my life I don't know if I've ever shared this on air, and I'm not sure that my girlfriend that's involved in this story, listens regularly, but her mom was sick with cancer, and she had a birthday party for her mom. And I didn't go because I had a race that weekend. It was I was doing triathlon. And there's a couple of great regrets of my life, and that's one of them, that I put a race before this woman's birthday. And it may have been the last birthday she shared with her daughter on Earth, and I had known her since college. Right? So, you know, that that's not a healthy way to be, and I am no longer that person, and I'm so glad I'm not. Right. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that story. That's very moving, Amelia. Well, it's true, and it's a little embarrassing, but I'm also at a point, Cam, where I am owning my mistakes, and I'm not gonna cover it up. I'm going to make right with the people that I may have hurt even accidentally, but we gotta move on. We can't live in the past. A 100%. Like, being present is really super important. So how far would you go? We're giving up the extreme exercise, but let's talk about, GLP ones for a second. Yeah. Let's. And, you know, Cam, I'm actually, I'm both excited and very nervous about this subject because I know personally people that have engaged in this. As a matter of fact, very recently, I reposted a quote from an Instagram account that said, taking medicines and claiming good health is like taking out a loan and claiming that you're rich. And I asked the question, what do you think? Do you agree? And 75 percent of people said they agreed, and 25% of the people said they did not. And I looked at who those individuals were, and I have super mixed feelings about this subject. And I am not a health like, I'm not a doctor, so I am not sure. But I have a philosophical issue with it, if I'm if I'm being honest with myself. Yeah. So, well, let's go back like what is a GLP-one? It's one of those injectable weight loss things that are probably all over your Instagram feed or yeah. And so, we goby is like a brand name for example, and so what these are are you inject these, I think it's weekly, I'm not even sure, and you titrate the dose up until you reach your weight loss goal and then you titrate it back down. So what it does it mimics actually your natural hormones and it makes you feel full. Okay? So you're eating less. And then what happens is it actually physically slows your digestion. So you're eating food and it's staying in your gut longer than, like, natural, if you will. And so that is giving you the sense of the fullness. So what we don't know as a health coach, and this comes up weekly on my calls with my nutrition coach, is, like, what are the implications of gut health? What happens when food stays in the system longer than it should? Are we going to see, like, upticks in, I don't know, cancers, like, in the digestive tract? You want that poop out. Yeah. We don't want it to stay and hang out and, like, do its thing. Are you know, polyps, is that gonna increase? I'm question I question whether gut health improves or what are the consequences of gut health because there's we have good bacteria and bad bacteria in your belly, and we're trying to find that healthy balance. There's bad guys in there for sure. We want more good guys for skin health and metabolism and all the things, digestion. So I don't know the consequence. We don't know one knows the consequences of this. Do you have anything to say about that? No. I love that description, and I thank you for the for the comprehensiveness, and I agree. I've actually heard, albeit in a news outlet, not an official scientific paper, that supposedly colon cancer risk goes down. But I wonder if it's that some of the people engaging in these, injectables, actually their diet was so poor to begin with and their gut bacteria was so bad. Maybe eating less or whatever is good. I don't know, but I totally agree we don't know. And the gut motility issue is my biggest kind of concern. Is slowing down the passage of food through your digestive system? I don't understand how that can be good for you. But, again, I I don't know. And I think there's a whole lot of research that's going, maybe not even research, maybe real life experience that we're gonna learn over the next 10 years. And just one one other point is these, medications were originally targeted for type 2 diabetics. So it's originally for if your a one c was high or your fasting glucose or or both, that was how it was originally intended with the positive side effect of weight loss. And it's kind of like, oh, this is great, so let's actually use it for this other purpose. And this has happened more than once in the pharmaceutical industry. I know that Wellbutrin was one of those drugs. I think it was originally designed for smoking cessation, but it actually, determined that it was a good antidepressant. So this is not an unprecedented thing where you put a drug is put on the market for one reason, and it actually ends up being used for another reason. And I'm also hearing whispers in this for this particular, GLP one that it helps with addiction issues. So and so there seems to be a mental aspect to it. I guess I guess it is right for some people like literally if you've tried everything and you're like banging your head against the wall and you cannot lose the weight and you're at this stage of prediabetic or even maybe it would help you get over the hump and get on the right track. I don't think it's a lifelong decision. I do think that in the process, if you do choose this to get yourself over the hump, that strength training and protein has to be a priority. We know our muscle loss is 1 to 3% a year. So in a decade, that could be 30% of your body mass and your muscle, and your muscle is your metabolism, period. It's your muscle is your organ of longevity. So if we're messing with that and even more than what's natural, that's a problem. But I do think it would be right for some people to get them over the hump, Amelia. Right. Right. I love that, Cam. That's such a balanced approach and attitude, and sometimes I tend to get on my high horse and want people to do like I do. And so I love the fact that you can reign me in and really give me a balanced and reasonable, view of this. So I I kind of agree with you. I think I'm on board with that that this is this is right for some people and maybe not all. But I think it's important if you're considering it to assess what your options are, to know your body and to know, you know, be be really honest with yourself about what what you are willing to do and, how it might affect your body in the long roll long run. You know, if you're if you're doing this and you're not eating, then you're just, like, basically starving yourself, basically. You know what I mean? Like, where's the nutrition? And I can't help but to wonder, like, what about the micronutrients? Are you getting enough of the vitamins and minerals that make you thrive? So yeah. Yeah. I'm on the fence about it. Mhmm. I know that some people believe in microdosing it versus the the heavier dose, which maybe that would be a more sustainable or safer, I don't know if safer is the right word, A way to approach this, but I do feel like in some instances, it might be a good decision. Great. I love that. Thank you for that opinion. So what's next on our list of aging? Oh, antiaging. We're moving to the physical, like, skin stuff, you know, like, you know, all that stuff. All of that stuff. And I am guilty if I can criticize people for doing one thing. I can certainly be criticized for doing something else. So we can talk about things as simple as hair color or getting a manicure because those are false things that you're introducing to your skin and your body. Mhmm. All the way through to fillers and Botox and actually plastic surgery. So there's a huge range of, you know, how far would you go with respect to beauty and anti aging. Okay. Here's my confession. I would say 4 or 5 years ago, I tried Botox for a minute, and I was like, this is not for me. Like, there's I'm okay with my wrinkles. It's okay. Like, they I my face didn't move. It was weird. And so here's my confession. I still get it. So I've been doing it for probably 3 or 4 years, not for the, you know, the nasolabial folds around my around my nose, but I have I guess my RBF, is profound because I have a lot of wrinkles in my forehead. So I do get a few units in there. I gotta be honest. Most of the people that I know, the women, do engage in a little bit of this. The funny part is most of their husbands either don't like it or don't know. And, just for the sake of your marriage or your relationship, and I was one of those people that hit it. Like, I'm not, you know, telling you to go all, you know, honest, and I did and I and I did that too because I didn't at first. But I I do actually, get that. And for me, it doesn't cause me any problems. I'm I'm pleased with the aesthetic effect. I don't think it alters my face in a way that makes me look different. Yeah. Mine were always I did the elevens between the eyebrows and my forehead. So yeah. And it's funny because my ex husband's a dentist and he's actually the one that does it. Like, you can go to the dentist now and get your Botox. Didn't know that. Didn't I didn't know that. It's quite plentiful and I what I will say even though I do it, please please do your research. Botox is actually botulinum toxin. When you ingest food that's infected with Clostridium botulinum, you get really sick and it can cause paralysis. And so you're injecting a botulism toxin into your face to paralyze it. So the open go in go in it with a with an open, eyes about what you're actually doing. So Yeah. 100%. I am I wear my emotions on my face. I can look at an old picture or video and tell exactly exactly what was going on in my life and my 11s, the, you know, the lines between your eyebrows, are more prominent when I'm under a lot of stress. So Botox, I decided wasn't for me, but what is for me, I make, I was telling Amelia, castor oil, jojoba, and frankincense. I make a mixture and I like slather this on my face at night. I mean, the mommies use frankincense to mummifies themselves, so I don't know. Is it a natural version of Botox? I don't know. But anyway, that's my It might be, Cam. There's a whole lot of really awesome things that you can use topically, including essential oils. Do your research, whether it's a company you're buying from, if you're making it from yourself because some essential oils can be quite harsh on the skin. So definitely either contact Cam or find, you know, a reputable place to get your recipe, but, I agree with you. And it might be for you seeing the elevens between your eyebrows is a sign, oh, I'm stressed 100%. Like this is actually biofeedback for you, so don't necessarily make it go away. Yeah. And I and I got a Gua Sha tool, so I'm just like, yeah. Yeah. That's how I handled that because Botox was not for me. So Right. You know. And And there's lots of things like the gua sha tool. If you don't know what a gua sha tool is, it's kind of like this little roller. Most of them are they mostly made of porcelain or metal? Mine is made of jade. Let me show you. Oh, jade. Okay. Isn't that beautiful? It is. And so, you know, if you don't know what that is, that may feel extreme to you and but it might be worth a try because it's not injecting anything. It's not putting anything on your skin that could be toxic. So there's so many things that you can investigate for these antiaging and and beauty sorts of rituals. I've also seen them made out of rose quartz and rose quartz is about self love, and I think that's a beautiful I've seen rollers and guasha tools made out of rose quartz. So I think that's real. I actually have a rose quartz bracelet on. Anyway Right. I mean, gotcha. That could be a whole other subject, the use of crystals and things like that that people, you know, use to help their mood and well-being. So that was that's kinda not beauty. It's kind of like more of a woo woo self fulfilling sort of thing, but it's still an out there thing for some people. Yeah. But I wanna kinda go back for a second to other things. You know, I do know people that do things like injectables, fillers, dental implants, CoolSculpting, or like melting the fat away. All these are on some continuum of extreme. So I've not engaged in any of that stuff, so I don't know, but we are aware that it's out there and some people feel the need to use them. Yeah. Let's put liposuction in there. When I was a CrossFit coach, there was a a group that and it spread like wildfire. They were getting boob job things and tummy tucks and all the things. It was like the mommy the mommy procedure. Yeah. The mommy makeover. That's what it's called. Yeah. And it spread like wildfire, and there were several women that went through this process. And, yeah, I would consider that extreme. Yeah. I would too. I mean, if you're cutting your body I mean, there's a slippery slope though, Cam, as my husband likes to remind me, between injecting a toxin in your face Yeah. And actually having fat cut off your body. So who am I to actually talk about this? But I agree with you. My mother-in-law is a retired nurse anesthetist, and if it requires anesthesia, she's like, be very careful because anesthesia is never safe. So that that's kind of a cutoff for me. Yeah. So I have a question. You may know the answer. I don't know the answer. If they're taking the fat cells away, then they can never come back again, but do the neighboring fat cells get fat again? Like, can you regain the weight? I think they can. And the only reason I say that is I have known people to have these procedures that apparently did not keep the weight off. So Mhmm. That's the basis of my answer. But, you know, there's tons of different types of ways. There's fat redistribution. You've got people that suck fat from one place and inject it somewhere else. Mhmm. Because I watch Botched. I mean, I I guess it's just a horrible, you know, one of those things about botched plastic surgeries. But, you know, now there's so many more options. There's, I think, there's laser procedures. There's all kinds of stuff that you that you can engage in. I just personally haven't experienced it and don't know much about it. Yeah. So this episode is how far would you go? And I think those are noes for me, but, again, there's just no shame. So if you choose that and it gets you over the hump and it makes you feel more powerful and in your power and you can show up more authentically in your life, then then go for it. You just have to decide that for yourself. We're not here. Yeah. And I love that, Cam, because that's what we're all about. Every person's journey is different. And if you are living a miserable existence because of something, a belief, obviously, we want you to challenge your thoughts and take them to court. Mhmm. But there if there are tools that you have at your disposal and you've done the research, absolutely. We are we are not about saying no. You shouldn't do that. Yeah. And speaking of that camp, there's another one that we engage in that a lot of people are very hesitant and that's bio identical hormones. 100% because there are aesthetic benefits from that. Yeah. But, you know, I talked to a woman last week and I told her about the podcast, very nice lady that I work with, and her mom had ovarian cancer, and she was like, I just think, hormones are a hard no for me. And I was like, I respect that, But, you know, she was struggling with weight and all of this stuff. And so, you know, I do understand that some people's medical histories prevent them from embracing this. I'm not a doctor. I can't speak to that specifically. I think they're wonderful. I love it. I feel amazing. Like, I think I would not feel as good as I do physically or mentally without it, but I get it that for some people that feels extreme. Right. And and if you've been on the other side of extreme and now you know how good it feels, like, I know that I was for the 1st 6 months or so of hysterectomy land. Now I will go to all extremes, did not feel that way again. And one of them is bio identical hormones for me. Right. And you know, here's a thought, having a hysterectomy unnecessarily is a bit extreme. You know it, like you didn't know that, like a medical professional advised that, but you know, if you don't have a tumor or something and it's like, oh, let's just take that out, that still involves anesthesia, like that can be considered extreme. 100%. And I will be quite honest, I had, fibroids and I looked 5 months pregnant. I was weeks before 50, so it was an aesthetic reason. Like, I'm a CrossFit coach. I'm an athlete. I was still hanging on to that for my dear life, that little idea identity, and I didn't like looking pregnant at that age. I was Sure. I had a lot of muscles at that time in my life and yeah. So So it was very aesthetic, and the option was this will help you, and I'm gonna take both ovaries because what if one ovary has a problem and I can't see it because of the scar tissue, so I'm gonna take both ovaries. And I was like, in my gut, Amelia, I knew this was wrong, but I was like, okay. You're the doctor, not me. Anyway. Exactly. Yeah. So that's just another aspect of these are things that we engage in, but we know that some of them are considered extreme. But there's there's other like things that we do for health. We've got on our list like sauna or cryotherapy or red light, even IV hydration. I think between you and I, we cover all of that Yeah. We do. Aspect of our lives. But if you're not familiar with that and maybe we introduced it to you or you saw something on social, that may feel extreme also. I think those I give those a pass because I feel like that's not aesthetic and it doesn't feel as shallow to me. Maybe I'm showing I'm inadvertently showing my shallowness, but I actually feel like there's health benefits in those things. Yeah. For red light I have red light appointment or later today, and it it changes my mood. It's a mood booster for me. So, again, it's not aesthetics. It's how I feel. And I'll I'll go to the extreme to feel good. I will. I'll I'll do that. That's where my extreme is. More than, like, physical on the outside. It's more on the inside for me. Right. Last week, I tried a sauna cold plunge rotation where I did sauna cold plunge, sauna cold plunge, and I really liked it. Uh-huh. It wasn't extreme because it wasn't extreme temperatures to me. The sauna was, like, 120, and the cold plunge was 70 degrees. And 70 degrees of water, that feels cold. Mhmm. But I enjoyed it. It was something to try. I've tried cryotherapy. I did not love it. For me, that was extreme. It gave me a horrible headache. I'm not saying I would never do it again. But the whole idea of actually voluntarily oops. Shoot. I've already admitted I do Botox, so that's voluntarily putting a needle in my in my face, but, you know, I've had dehydration. Like, I've had moments where I thought that was super beneficial. I still occasionally will get glutathione injections. So for a lot of people, if it involves a needle, they won't do it, but, I mean, I also have a bunch of tattoos. Yeah. Yeah. That's a whole bunch of needles. Yeah. I guess so. So, anyway. I have to tell you my cryotherapy story. When I was at home in Saint Louis in June, my sister and I went to ReStore, which is the place I go here, but they're all over the nation, and I could use my credits in Saint Louis, and so I did. And I did their cryotherapy. And, Amelia, I had a panic attack, like, I guess you did. It was absolutely miserable. And since then, I've only gone a couple times here. The machine was different there. It was very, very tiny, and it didn't have a crash door, like a crash door that you could get out of. So I felt claustrophobic, and I couldn't see, and I couldn't move. Like, I don't think I could move my arms to the side anyway. I got out of there fast. I did not stay the whole time, and I thought I couldn't breathe. It was the worst thing ever. So I have huge empathy for your experience in the cryotherapy. Well, I appreciate that. And again, this is all about exploring and, you know, just kind of testing those limits. But, yeah, I mean, I like the cold plunge better than the cryo. That's just me. Yeah. And so at this house now, we have a place for the cold plunge, and I can imagine that someday we'll get a cold plunge here. So we can go sonic cold plunge and do your little thing. Yeah. Perfect. And, folks, the last few things we've got are just things that I found interesting as I assess my own life. And these are things like trying to eliminate plastic for, you know, environmental health or, you know, there's a lot of pollution in our world and we know that pollution affects all aspects of our metabolism, our skin. So avoiding places that have a lot of pollution, and we could go even so far as to say, you know, using an electric vehicle or avoiding flying. When I think about these things, I think about there was an actor. He's an older gentleman now called Ed Begley junior. And, basically, every bit of he uses, he generates himself. Like, he rides a bicycle to run his toaster. So I'm not suggesting that we all go out and live off the grid, but it is extreme. And if if environmental safety is part of your core beliefs, maybe you do more than other people to to conserve that. Okay. I'm just gonna say this, electric vehicles are a hard effing no to me. You're sitting on a battery. What are the health consequences? You are sitting on a battery. That is a no for me. I'm sorry. And I love no. I love that you said that because how many people that listen may not have ever thought about that because I know we probably have some listeners that have them. So, yeah, I love that you brought that up. So, you know, and I fly regularly for work and I love to go on trips. I have a slight bit of guilt associated with that because I I know that that's not good for the environment. But it's a conscious choice I'm making, Cam, and I think that's the point is we everybody needs to make conscious choices. Yeah. I mean, I wear a necklace that has it's an EMF protector necklace. It's called Harmony if you've ever seen them, but anyway, here it is. And, it protects it protects you from your EMFs. And I also have, like, crystal on the back of my computer and one on the back of my phone Yep. To protect me from EMFs. So I'm more about that kind of extreme. Like, like, what is this? But, and I actually have one by the router, like an actual block on the router. That. Yeah. I've got one by my work computer for sure. And I do have an acquaintance who's actually sells crystals, and she's really knowledgeable. But so, yeah, I agree with you. I think those things are woo woo things to some people, but I don't think it's harmful. So I'm gonna give it a go. Yeah. So it's extreme. But again, the car thing is a hard no. We don't know what's happening. You're sitting on a flipping battery. What's gonna happen to you? We don't know. It's kind of like at one time there was, and I I guess that stuff is still out there about the use of, like, cordless air pods or whatever and I don't like those. Yeah. Being cordless. They make me crazy. Like, I yeah. I use them on the plane recently, but I do not use those on a daily basis. I use those a couple times a year. I don't like the like, you're radiating your brain. That's that's how I think. Am I microwaving my brain? Right. Exactly. So there's just tons of things out there that you could be con could be considered extreme, and I think you just have to assess each each step as you go. 100%. So again, how far would you go? And again, this is a no shame episode. There's no shame here. Never. We love it. We just wanna help. Thanks for listening today.